captioning made possible by johnson & johnson, where quality products for the american family have been a tradition for generations ♪ >> osgood: good morning, i am charles osgood, and this is sunday morning. tuesday is election day in several of these supposedly united states. in parts of a few states some people seem ready to disunite, campaigning to break away and form a new state of their own. barry petersen will explore this

modern day secessionist movie in our cover story and on to a track sport where scientifics are driven to perfect a car that doesn't need a human driver at the wheel. we will go along for ride. >> maybe you have heard of google eats self driving car. the team from stanford has no interest in suburban roads. they built this car to go 120 miles per hour around a racetrack. >> hey, that was really -- what come on! there is no driver! >> it is a self driving racing car. >> okay. so -- >> i am not doing anything right now. >> get ready. self driving software that may end up soon in your car. later on sunday morning. >> osgood: kevin kline is an accomplished actor who plays just about any role you could imagine. should he choose to take the

part, there is the rub. this morning he tells our tracy smith all about it. >> if you think it is a safe bet that kevin kline jumped at the chance to be in a movie with these other oscar-winning actors, you lose. did you immediately say yes to the role in "last vegas"? >> no. >> no? >> my first instinct was to pass. >> reporter: and that instinct has earned him a nickname. >> what are you doing? >> ahead on sunday morning, convincing kevin kline. >> osgood: shall we dance? that is a question usually asked only when you are pretty sure your prospective partner is ready and willing and able. all three are required when it comes to the dance elaine quijano has been watching. >> reporter: tango starts with a look, an embrace, then two become one. there is male energy and female

energy. >> reporter: an american dance team facing the ultimate challenge at the world cup of arrange fine tango. >> we will take you to buenos aires a city that moves to a rhythm all its own, later on sunday morning. .. >> osgood: kenny chesney is a big star of country music, these days, one city in the country is the focus of his attention as don dahler will show us. >> whatever makes you feel like a rock star! >> reporter: after months of relentless touring country megastar kenny chesney is taking a break. >> thank you. >> but not before meeting with some very important fans. >> you are going to have this moment this morning at the hospital. >> yeah. >> heartfelt, it was good for me. >> spread the love. >> kenny chesney, straight from the heart, later on sunday

morning. >> osgood: historian doris kearns goodwin shares presidential anecdotes with mo rocca. steve hartman bears a grandmother's secrets for changing lives behind bars. the fast draw takes a measure of marathoners and more, but first the headlines for this sunday morning, the 3rd of november, 2013. twice in los angeles, flights are operating normally at los angeles airport after the shootings, it left a tsa agent dead and several others injured. we get the latest now from carter evans. >> when paul opened fire in terminal three, he was carried a handwritten note, fbi special agent david bowdag. e. >> we found a statement where he made a conscious decision to kill multiple tsa employees. >> he was dropped off at the airport and then shot gerardo hernandez point blank. he is the first tsa officer ever killed in the line of duty.

even as he sprayed bullets from his assault bullet rifle throughout the, few were injured, airport police chief -- >> we were so lucky. >> in all honesty this could have been much, much worse. >> in his hometown of pen field, new jersey many are asking why. but so far there are no answers. >> josh pagan was a former neighbor. >> he was a friendly guy and there had to be something horrific to go on for him to do something like that. >> he is charged with murder ago federal officer while on duty and could face the death penalty, and authorities are saying little about the person who dropped him off at lax. as for those thousands of passengers stranded by friday's shooting, they are finally on their way. for sunday morning, this is carter evans in los angeles. >> osgood: secretary of state john kerry made unannounced the visit to egypt this morning, his stop in cairo comes one day

before elected then ousted morsi goes on trial for inciting violence. >> osgood: pakistan is accusing the united states of trying to sabotage its peace talks with the taliban. that comes in response to a drone attack that killed a leader of pakistan's taliban. the government's troubled health insurance web site goes back online this morning after parts of it were taken down for an overhaul. the administration says it will have the web site fully repaired by the end of this month. red sox nation was out in force yesterday as thousands lined the streets of boston to honor baseball's world series champions. the victory parade paused at the finish line of the boston marathon as a tribute to victims of the bombings last april. >> the old marathon today is being run with extra security precautions. now the weather. sunny but cooler temperatures in the east today. balmy over much of the nation's

midsection, but rain is likely in the pacific northwest with snow in the mountain elevations. the week ahead, the sunshine will continue for the east with a slight chance of rain. rain is in the forecast to the northwest as well, the southwest remains stubbornly sunny. >> >> reporter: ahead mysteries of the tango. >> but first, going their own,,, .

>> osgood: those fed up in doing with the state capital, day dreamed of living the in a state of his own. it turns out some of our nation's discontented have been doing a lot more than daydreaming. our cover story is reported by bear barry petersen. >> the map says this is northern california so map makers and visitors might be a bit confused the about this sign. claiming this is the state of jefferson. >> the state of wrench is originally envisioned would be the same size as, say, new mexico, and it would be like a 44th largest state in the 44th by population too so -- >> it would actually be bigger than some existing states. >> correct, yes. >> julie burn is chairman of the murdoch county board of supervisors which passed a resolution in september to leave california and help form the state of jefferson. a newspaper poll in next door

county showed overwhelming support after that county board also voted to leave. and the sentiment is spreading to other counties across northern california. >> it is fed by anger across rural america, a mood of us against them. against big cities that increasingly dominate state legislatures, passing laws that some say ignore rural needs. >> the state of california passes regulations about not cutting trees or things of that sort, is there a direct impact in your community? >> oh, of course there is. our local economy is in rural california are basically dependent on ranching, farming, timber, hunting, fishing, and every time we make bureaucratic decisions that impact that, we destroy the economies of the north of the state. >> reporter: this isn't their first try. people in northern california

and southern oregon tried breaking away once before in 1941, even setting up roadblocks on the borders of a state of jefferson, it fizzled out with the beginning of world war ii. >> and it turns out that breaking away from one state to form a new one is as old as the united states. beginning in 1776, when the colony of delaware broke from pennsylvania, maine was once part of massachusetts, west virginia and kentucky were once part of virginia, and tennessee was a break away from north carolina. and, of course, much of the south seceded and called itself a separate country until it was defeated in the civil war. secessionist by tradition it is almost like thanksgiving, thanksgiving stays and secession

comes and goes. >> douglas brinkley is a professor of history at rice university in houston, and a cbs news contributor. he says the founding fathers made sure rural america was listened to starting with the way we choose a president. >> that is why we have electorial college system that we don't forget rural people, but that system of having two senators from every state regardless of population is a gesture, a big one, to rural populations that they are being listened to. >> reporter: listened to or not, these modern day movements are popping up from maryland to the upper peninsula of michigan to northern colorado. >> no way, colorado we are here to stay. >> reporter: in northern colorado this tuesday, voters in 11 counties will decide about letting their county commissioners explore breaking away from the state. >> i think that it is not a good

way to solve problems. >> i actually completely support it. >> opinions are mixed. >> i think that we should. >> why? >> because we are not getting heard. >> pretty soon we will have 100 states potentially or you get dissatisfied you are going to walk away. >> i have never seen the level of frustration. >> a forum sponsored by the league of women voters drew a full house in welds county. >> john conway is a county commissioner. >> colorado has changed. >> chuck sylvestre listened carefully. what generation of colorado or of farmer are you? >> i am a fourth generation on this farm. >> his family started this farm in 1869, which he and his wife ronnie still run. >> now he lives in a colorado with legalized marijuana, new gun control regulations and civil unions for gays.

>> in my job that i had, i had many people of different sexual preferences and some of them are like sons and daughters to me, i thought so much about them, but it is defined by god in the bible that marriage is between a man and a woman, don't change that. >> reporter: so that wasn't your culture when you were being dealt with. >> that is very correct. >> reporter: historian douglas brinkley. >> when i hear the word values by people in rural areas, is this part of what is at play, that a culture has really changed dramatically? >> absolutely. anybody who is a hardened secessionist in the end you will find they just don't like the other and the other tend to be people with different colored skins or different cultural values that the one they grew up in their particular county. >> the values are besides the point, for ronnie sylvestre. >> what is specific for me is

the economics of it, and we see a lot of economic decisions being made by the populist that have a direct negative impact on those of us in the rural areas. >> weld county is rich in oil and that means fracking. some want fracking banned because of potential environmental damage. >> if you have property, for example, with gas, oil and mineral rights on it, you should have the right to allow that to be explored. a lot of people are dependent on their royalties now, particularly our senior citizens. it is their security. >> reporter: but the constitutional hurdles for breaking away were set high. first, a state's legislature must approve, and then the u.s. congress must vote to accept the new state. >> i am a native coloradan.

>> i don't want to separate. >> state representative dave young who opposes the whole idea represents part of welds county in the colorado house of representatives. he doubts that secession would fly in the colorado legislature. >> if we just build walls and refuse to talk to each other. >> subdividing. >> yes. >> that's the dangerous piece. >> why dangerous? >> i think we lessen our power as a country. >> what do you mean? >> when we split off in different directions, are we really as powerful as we were before? >> we pride ourselves in this country on a willingness to hear everybody out. is it kind of a good thing that these people are saying these things? >> i don't find the intentions good, because you are leading people down a garden path to nowhere. it never ends. if you start indulging one secessionist movement then you will have to indulge another and there would be no united states. >> reporter: in northern california, they feel they no

longer have a choice. >> pro se sessionist jerry burn. >> we are still out numbered i don't know politically there is, i don't know there is another way, at least this focuses the attention on the problems that exist. is it something that is going to be easy to do? no. is it something possible? maybe. there are a lot of people behind this movement. >> >> osgood: next, when annie got her gun. >> alaska it is the place you always dreamed of, where the ordinary is simply extraordinary. >> .

>> osgood: and now a page from our sunday morning almanac, november 3rd, 1926, today, the legendary sharpshooter annie oakley died at the age of 66. born fee by anne mosts in the small town of ohio, she has taught herself to shoot by the age of 15. after besting a renowned marksman frank butler in a local competition, annie married him and launched her career as a sharpshooting entertainer using annie oakley as her stage name. >> buffalo build hired her for, buffalo bill hired her and crisscrossed america and even

traveled to europe. where among other feats feats she shot a cigarette out of the mouth of prince wilhelm, future general kaiser. >> in 1894, thomas edison filmed annie in action in one of his early movies an and erroneous newspaper report she was a thief and a drug addict led to years of libel suits and eventual $27,000 judgment against william randolph hers. >> annie oakley made her final appearance at a charity event on lonlong island. >> she died four years later but has lived on as a popular folk hero. >> the i am quick on the trigger with targets not much bigger than a pinpoint, number one. >> most notably in the broadway musical annie gets her gun. over the years has starred ethel merman, reba mcintyre. >> i can do anything better than you. >> and bernadette peters, among

others. >> no you can. >> yes, i can, yes, i can. >> trailblazing woman who succeeded in a man's world, also opposing woman's suffrage. >> the real annie oakley was a lot more complicated than this verbalized person. >> a good shot, a show business natural. and a one-of-a-kind. >> >> step lightly. the tango is just ahead. >> se,.

>> we woke with an extra hour, a blessing quite sub bliem, but while we slept, the clocks fell back, we are now on standard time. >>

>> osgood: the question shall we dance is largely unnecessary for the passionate people who have brindle the world's most passionate dance, we get in step. >> in a southern california strip mall, lazor and naomi tangle away at the tango. >> four hours a day of exhausting effort so their tango will seem effortless.

>> we go later than you. >> i think you didn't need to. >> few art forms require the fusion of the physical and the emotional. >> the most essential thing in life comes together. it is like there is male energy, female energy. >> it is a complete synchronicity with emotion, the emotion of the music and the connection. >> back in the spring, lawyer rant and naomi won the argentine championship in san francisco. >> that victory earned the couple a trip here to the 2013 tango world cup in bruins heiress, the capital of argentina and birthplace of the tango. .. >> buenos aires moves with a rhythm all its own.

hitting midnight cafes, to glitzy stage shows in the tourist quarter. >> tango posters throughout the city, which is often called the paris of south america. >> this alley celebrates the immigrant past of buenos aires, beyond the postcard shops there are remnants of the 1880s dock side tenement world. >> a melting pot of immigrants from italy and spain, along with former slaves from africa. >> they didn't know, they didn't speak nothing, just they met there, you know, to drink or make parties and they create this kind of dancing inbetween. >> julio is a tango star and a popular dance instructor. >> he says much like jazz in new orleans, early tango was popular in the city's red-light district. >> young thrill seekers knocked

to local dance hauls, called milangas where a scandalous staff was all the rage. >> these kind of people came to see this kind of, you know, this kind of milanga. >> it was forbidden. >> yes! >> in the early twenties, 20th century tango found its way to paris where it became a massive hit. >> soon, hollywood was also swarming, who could resist the passionate moves of rudolph valentino? >> it was tango's golden age, now celebrated at argentina's national tango museum, where antique instruments and the well worn shoes of dancing idols are revered relics. >> in the 19 twenties, carlos cardell was a tango superstar, the latin-american sinatra when

he died a decade later in a plane crash, distraught fans by the hundreds of thousands swarmed to his funeral procession in the streets of buenos aires. >> today, in his historic neighborhoods locals still pack half century old nightclubs mixing melancholy music and traditional dancing with their sunday afternoon coffee. in the days leading up to the world cup, our california couple naomi and laurent enjoy the local dance scene. >> they even squeezed in a practice performance at the famous la can't rina that dates to 1912. >> the n nostalgic trappings hee made this a favorite haunt of folks like 86-year-old rocky

pepe, tango has been his passion since he was a teenager. he still steps lively every week, dancing he says keeps him young. >> i think i will dance until my legs no long kerr hold me up, rocky says. that, and the good lord willing. >> in fact, tango can take a lifetime to master. >> he says it is a dance anyone can learn. >> even a total rookie like me. >> great! >> it gets to you. it gets to you. >> karina, of tv's dancing with the stars joined a company of forever tango which had a revival on broadway this past summer. >> it is a conversation with body language, with intention, with intensity in every single

move or gesture. you become that character. you become that partner's woman. it is definitely one of the most intense and also fulfilling dances you will ever do. >> >> reporter: back at the world cup the pressure is building. it is the moment of truth for the american team of naomi and laurents. >> all that stands between them and tango glory, 1,200 of the best dance in other words the world, thousands of fans and a brutally demanding panel of judges. >> the teams must perform just three unannounced songs, each has a different tempo. it is the ultimate test of a couple's creativity and communication. >> hours later, when the scores are finally posted, the smiles tell the tale. naomi and laurent finish 29th,

well behind the winning argentine team, but it is still a terrific finish for americans. >> they are among the best tango dancers in the world. and having it happen in buenos aires makes it all the sweeter. >> there is something where you feel the energy of the floor, like moving together, it is almost like there is something pouring out of the whole building and the, and the 40s fifties music we dance to, it echoes off of the walls and it is like there is something that is very natural. >> >> osgood: next, look, no hands! >> and later. >> she thinks my traps are sexy. >> osgood: country's kenny chesney.,,,,,,,,,,,,

>> osgood: talk about driven. it is a practice with this remote controlled model, computer scientists are going all out to create a car where the driver is optional. the prototype stars in a nova series now airing on pbs called making stuff.

our david pogue has dared to be a test passenger. >> when you come right down to it, people aren't really very good drivers. we drive distracted, we drive drunk, we drive badly. >> one woman is dead. >> and 35,000 americans wind up dying every year. >> but the driver of this car has never had a single accident. >> about 120 miles per hour or so down the straight. >> chris and his team from stanford university built this car. >> hey, that was really -- what come on cam there is no driver! >> this is shelley ourself driving audi tts. >> self driving racingg does that seem wise?atatatatatatatat. nna. hese radio connections, we can actually figure out where we are within about one to two-centimeters. >> the purpose of this research isn't just to do something

amazingly cool. >> it is to speed us on our way to saver self driving regular cars. >> so we really think that all of the work we are doing on this car will ultimately lead to saver vehicles on the road. >> so what you are saying you want to take it for a spin?. all right. as long as w we don't go over 14 miles per hour we will go. >> it will be a little faster than that. >> okay. so you are -- >> i am not doing anything right now. >> >> we just went off the road, dude. >> that sat rumble strip. >> if you don't go on the rumble strip you are slow. >> what a smart little car. >> riding shelley is like a violent carnival ride. >> the driving maneuvers are not, shall we say, subtle. >> i think i left a few organs on turn 4. >> how did shelley learn to drive herself? >> she has had the world's best teachers. >> professional race car drivers. >> for four years, he has been

monitoring their brain activity as they drive this test vehicle, the x 1. >> and we will put some coating electrodes on the scalp so we can check out your brain activity. >> are we ready? >> >> reporter: as i drive research assistant holly russell deliberately controls this car's four wheels to make it spin out. >> the computer captures my driving responses. >> the squealing is okay? >> yeah. >> not bad. >> so ultimately you will be refining this car's software with data you gathered from human drivers? >> that's right. we want to use experiments like that one to make shelley every bit as good as the very best human drivers. >> to see how good shelley's software has become. christopher proposes a race. >> david pogue expert suburban driver versus david boddan a professional race car driver,

versus shelley. >> just bring the car back in one piece. >> either that or a big burlap bag. >> here we go! >> two minutes and 51 seconds. you set the mark for the race and we will see how the others do. >> 251! i would like to see a piece of software beat that! >> time to beat his two:51, old man. >> old man? >> as it turns out, 30 years of racing experience gives david boddan a slight edge over my time. >> 29:00. >> two:19. >> and now it is the computer's turn. >> start the model.

>> >> vehicle is on the track. >> all right. up the hill, outside, hit the inside. and in the final turn. >> oh, man, that car is on fire! >> so who won? man or machine? >> in third place with a time of two communicated and 51 seconds, david pogue. [ applause ] >> in second place, with a time of two minutes and 21 seconds shelley! >> and today's winner with two minutes and 19 seconds, david bodden! >> so the human driver beat the computer, this time. by two seconds. >> but with each round of better software, shelley gets faster and safer.

>> chris very december is convinced his self driving car will soon beat any human driver on the road, and not long thereafter technologies like shelley's will trickle down into the cars that we drive every day. >> within the speed limit, of course. >> >> osgood: ahead -- >> spread the love, all over the world. >> osgood: a different role for kenny chesney. >> mz:ii am here to tell people how

to finish strong with a fresher ♪ you are love in an old car. she is -- >> osgood: country music star kenny chesney had a very big hit with summertime. nowadays he is measuring success in a very different way. here is don dahler. >> well come from a little bitty small town,.

>> reporter: he is one of the kings of country music. >> no shoes, no shirt, no problem. >> reporter: kenny chesney is like a 100-watt bulb in a 50 w at&t circuit. >> his energy is overwhelming. >> does it ever feel like a job to you. >> >> is it hard work? it is more work than people imagine. but is it rewarding? the moment when i get to go up there on stage and look at all of those people in the eye and they look back at me -- >> whatever makes you feel like a rock star. >> that is an unbelievable feeling and sometimes it feels like a revival out there. >> that passion has made chesney one of the biggest names in country music. >> she thinks think traps are sexy. >> with 14 albums and more than 20 number one singles he has created music that energizes millions of fans. >> fans, you may be surprised at

what he is up to next. >> you made a conscious decision. >> a conscious decision. >> not to tour next year. >> because i want to concentrate on making the best record i can make, and so i want to do a lot of writing, i am going to do a, to do a lot of reconnecting, hopefully with family and the people i haven't seen since i have been out here on this treadmill for a while. >> reporter: we caught up with him at the last stop of his five monthlong tour. >> gillette stadium in massachusetts. >> it is an amazingly large place with when you are standing out here in the middle of it. >> it is awesome. >> not a place that typically comes to mind when you think of country music. >> i mean this is a very passionate town, and they are passionate about sports, they are passio passionate about lify are passionate about music and food and work really hard and those are all of the things that i grew up on. >> reporter: but chesney's connection with his boston area fans stretches far beyond the

parking lot of his sold out shows. >> there apparently has been an explosion near the finish line at the boston marathon. >> he was in florida on a day off from touring when news of the boston marathon bombing broke. >> when i saw this happen, and i saw this arrogant look on these kids's faces that did this, and it pissed me off. you know,. and i thought about the relationship with music i have had, all the people that have seen us play over the years and that is what led me to do something. >> i have got children we have got to come together. >> reporter: what he did was start the spread the love fund, named after a song on his latest record. >> spread the love, spread the love all over the world. >> proceeds from this song will

go into the fund to help finance the current and future care for amputee victims of the bombing. >> we live every day with a little bit of chaos, this was especially chaotic. >> while in massachusetts, chesney took a tour of the boston medical center. >> dr. andy ulrich described the day of the blast. >> you know,, we are literally blocks away from the event so we are the closest. >> we got there early and quickest and they just came in so we got a quick phone call that something happened and within minutes ambulances were backing up with two in the back, three in the back, and normally when we have those most injured, most sick we have three areas right here we put them in, but we couldn't because we had far more than we could handle here. >> chesney also met with some blast victims who will benefit from the fund. >> just being a dancer it can change your entire day and hearing music that makes you want to move can -- can certainly help you become more mobile, so i appreciate it.

>> i first met dance instructor adrian has let less than two weeks after the boston attack. >> it was terrifying because i was losing so much blood i thought that was it. >> you really thought you would die at that point? >> i really did. i danced and there is no reason i can't again. >> her very expensive prosthetic will be subsidized by spread the love. >> a dancing leg that is depending on what kind of technology they use is anywhere from 75 to 100,000, it i it is y hard to get used to what your body now looks like. >> she lost both of her legs. >> the reality is, this is for the rest of our lives, and we need to replace these and, you know, we want to keep as active and as normal, our new normal, you know, as we possibly can. >> i left there today so thankful that i wrote that song and now here we are in boston helping people that i have never

met through music to get them back to some sort of normalcy in their life. >> that is pretty special. >> ♪ spread the love, spread the love all over the world. >> reporter: as kenny chesney steps off the stage for some well earned r and r he hopes his continue will, his music will continue to reach the people who need it most. >> ♪ we have got to spread the love. >> i think music is the most powerful thing we have, i do believe that music has the ability to give people hope, to heal people like nothing else does. and then when you get up -- can i play?

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thugs and thieves, but 81-year-old susan freed freed of kansas decides, defies that stereotype, bringing her sweet soft touch to this, razor wire world. >> i have never had one iota of fear. >> stew ellen started coming here to lansing correctional around 1980 for what she thought would be a little volunteer work but ended up committed to these guys for life. >> she had the grandmother effect on people. >> she just shows she cares. >> my heart is seeing something because the light on, it starts the kindle within us and tells us maybe we are not that bad. >> you take the time to really listen to each other. >> sue ellen has helped develop and now runs a program called reaching out from within. >> the program basically helps prisoners work with one another to become kinder, more ever he tick people. >> that is what it is about, coming from inside each of us to

pull the problems out. >> reporter: most admit they really need that help. the question is, what does sue ellen get from being here? >> i am addicted to personal transformation. >> reporter: is that possible with the prison population, half of these guys go back into prison after they get out? >> not our guys. >> what do you mean, not your guys? >> over 90 percent of our people, when they leave prison, do not return. >> reporter: we checked and she is right. although nationally the recidivism rate is about 50 percent for prisoners who regularly attend her meetings it drops to less than ten percent. for that reason, reaching out from within has now spread to every prison in kansas. and at least one other state is trying to replicate it. >> of course the problem there is, there is no replicating sue ellen. >> you know what is most amazing is that you care for them. i looked at that group and i see murderers and robbers, rapists.

>> it never occurs to me to look at them that way. i believe that every single human being has an angel and a beast inside of them and the more we are willing to look at the beast, the more we are willing to hold on to the angel. >> reporter: so says this guardian angel, who is determined to the beast out of inmates as only a grandma can. >> thank you so much. thank you. >> i promise you are in one of these pictures. >> really? >> next, actor kevin kline. >> there is the young budding actor. >> osgood: and later -- >> look at buildings and trees and think this was here when lincoln was president? >> i am as crazy as you. i do. >> talking presidents with historian doris kearns goodwin. >> ,,,,,,,,,,,,

>> what are you doing? >> i am thinking. >> it is sunday morning on cbs. and here again is charles osgood. >> osgood: kevin kline won an oscar for best supporting actor for his performance in the 1988 film of a fish called wanda, well my memorable roles have won him a large following, but roles have to win him over first, it is never a sure thing as you will see in tracy smith's sunday profile. >> ♪ >> he made a name for him i self as a man who can play anyone. >> i once caught a fish this big. >> from president to pa pirate. >> the cat tish to confused. >> stop dancing you big ballerina. >> mo town lover. >> i know you want to leave me to. >> madman. >> kevin kline has a reputation as an actor's actor. >> he is also famously picky

about choosing his projects. >> in fact he passed on so many pictures he has become known in some hollywood circles as kevin decline. >> you actually have a nickname. >> oh, yeah. >> i guess i could have been kevin incline. i don't think i turned down as many parts and more normal actors do, you can't do everything. >> but he did in this one. >> lipitor count. >> "last vegas", film product hundred is a comedy about four long time pals on a booze situate geriatric romp through spin city with a cast that looks like the front row, front row at the oscars, douglas, deniro, freeman and kline. >> in the "last vegas" trailer, it says four legends come together. what is it like to hear that word applied to you. >> as the lovely advertising ploy and i love being lumped in with these four legends, but three legends and kline.

(laughter.) >> people would argue with you about that. >> no. i have not done nearly nearly the commercially successful movies these guys have. >> is that what makes a legend? a. apparently, it certainly has. >> so is that by design you haven't done as commercially successful movies? >> i have avoided success as much as possible. >> it is a family thing. it is partially my own doing. morgan and i shared the same agent for 35 years, he is now retired and he say why don't you want to do this movie? it could be a very commercially successful movie. >> i am sure it is but i -- i think it is crap, i'm sorry. >> i just try to do what interests me at the moment, and i have made a lot of probably stupid career choices. >> reporter: fans might take issue with that. >> i shall live and die a pirate king! >> still, kline said he has to

beable tossed into some of my host successful roles like a tony winning performance on broadway. >> when i was offered pirates of penzance two years before that i had done a musical on broadway, a lot of physical comedy on the 20th century and i said, well, this is more of the same, i have, i have already done that but i got sort of talked into it and it was a good thing because he saw me in it and cast me in sophie's choice. >> this is in honor of my complete disassociation from you two creams. >> in his first big film -- >> you are boring. >> kline's role as charming hothead nathan landau made him a movie star, and overnight success that was a long time coming. >> just one kiss. that's all you get. >> i need one more. >> born and raised in st. louis, kevin kline studied music at indiana university before coming to new york as part of the juilliard's school very first

drama class. >> i promise you, you are in one of these pictures. >> really? (laughter.) >> there is the young budding actor. >> what was that? >> school for scandal. >> what were you dreams back then? >> to be an all around good actor. >> hey! [speak bag italian). >> good doesn't even begin to cover it. >> kline's turn as the goofy criminal otto in a fish called wanda wowed audiences. >> oh, you englishers. >> so superior. >> and later, academy voters, he took home the oscar for best supporting actor. >> and you didn't thank your wife. >> at the very last moment we had only been married two weeks at that point and the music started playing and oh, my wife. thank you. >> that would be actress kate

known has the best looking girl at original month high. >> they. >> ridge month high. >> but lightning didn't strike until later when they were both in separate plays in new york. >> i was upstairs rehearsing and she was downstairs rehearsing that and met in the hallway. >> and it was boom? >> for her, for me it took a while. >> yeah, it was boom for me and it was like. >> oh, yeah for various means. she has a boyfriend. >> i knew she would go out with me if i asked her out. >> are you serious, you really were like a sixth-grader asking her friends? >> it is a long story, but that is the beauty of television, you cut it. >> okay, here is the short version, kate and kline clicked and married in 1989, they appeared together in 2001's the anniversary party, and those two adorable child actors are the couple's real life children owen and greta, the kids are a big reason fee by kate chose to cut back on performing.

>> fee by when. >> phoebe has the first child that's it, i am not going to let other people raise my child. >> and she retired. >> and that was your choice as a couple? >> it was her choice. that's just the way she felt. >> what do you think of that decision? >> i admire it. it was one of the things i always admired about phoebe, she loved acting but it wasn't her life. for me it was everything. i had no life. just acting. >> for her it was, once she had children, that was it. >> these juilliard students are, in a way, his other children. kevin kline has been giving back at juilliard since before giving back with a catchphrase. >> when kline was in the movement class he he would do exercises like this where the actor struggles to fight through unseen forces to reach an elusive goal.

>> of course, they all wanted to see the oscar winnener do it. >> and you can choose any girl you want as long as -- >> they are not near the exit. >> at 66, kline still seemed to be pretty good at navigating a tricky path. >> did you immediately say yes to the role in "last vegas"? >> no. >> no? >> my first instinct was to pass. >> but after-hours of conversation with director john, he decided it was worth his time and maybe yours. >> cut! >> >> will i read the reviews? probably not, no. >> god forbid i find out we are not legend. >> kidding aside, legend is a

title kevin decline should probably accept. >> osgood: going the extra mile, next. >>

>> osgood: it is marathon day here in new york, josh landis and butler of the fast draw draw even faster. >> running a marathon, who had the energy? thousand of people running 26.2 miles, taking millions of steps along the way. it takes months or even years to prepare, it is no small feat given your, getting your feet across the finish line we who wonder about the energy it takes to finish a marathon and what else you could do with that amount of energy. >> we asked researcher peter cav nevada, an expert on biomcs. >> he imagined a imagined a runner. >> 154-pound runner needs about 3,000 kilo calories to run a marathon. >> the interesting thing about

kilo calories or as you know them calories they can be contained to things contained with electricity and gasoline. >> he looked at nonhuman activities and calculated what you could accomplish with the amount of energy used by someone running a marathon. >> how about cooking in. >> if you liked hard-boiled eggs the energy used by that runner could heat up enough water to heat 20 legs. >> and with electricity the energy could be a 60 what light, watt light republican for two days. >> it requires more energy that you might expect, there on the couch you would burn close to 300 calories, by the time you finished watching the four hour finisher. >> so you would use about a tenth of the energy that the marathon runner herself is using? >> there are also plenty of things that involve far more than what it takes to run a marathon, for example, a gallon of gas has the energy equivalent of 11 marathons. >> so if you know know an acre of lawn on a riding more the

gasoline needed to ride that power is 2.6 marathons, how about flying in an airplane, the fuel burned by 747 flying from new york to seattle translates into more than 132,000 marathons. >> and if you jumped in a, car to drive the 26.2 miles instead of running it that would take the energy equivalent of 14.5 marathons. >> only storing energy in your body was as easy as filling up your gas tank. >> beyond the numbers cavenaugh offered a fills so figure view of why we. >> philosophic view. >> we isolated from physical challenges, the human mind has an innate need to achieve great physical hurdles, and that marathon has become the challenge that our culture has put out there. >> as much energy as it takes to run all of those miles, it is really not that much, compared to a lot of other things we do

every day without breaking a sweat. >> >> osgood: a journey through history. >> how many people are going to know much about taft other than he weighs 350 pounds? >> had a bathtub you could fit four men. >> osgood: just ahead. >> my resinhaler at all. what did you say? how about - every day? coping with asthma isn't controlling it. test your level of control at asthma.com, then talk to your doctor. there may be more you could do for your asthma. ask me what it's like to get your best night's sleep every night. [announcer] why not talk to someone who's sleeping on the most highly recommended bed in america? ask me about my tempur-pedic. ask me how fast i fall asleep.

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. >> osgood: america's past presidents are anything but long ago figures for one distinguished writer. for her, they are living history. as mo rocca has learn from doris kearns goodwin. >> reporter: do your kids or husband ever say to you, doris, you need to stop living in the past? >> every now and then. i was writing about franklin roosevelt and they would come by the room and i was yelling at franklin, would you still be, be nicer to eleanor or to eleanor forget about the fact he had an affair 20 years ago and they think what is going on in the room? they are talking to dead presidents. >> and dead presidents have been

very good to doris kearns goodwin. >> all of her presidential biographies have been best sellers. she won a pulitzer for her book on fdr and eleanor roosevelt and her lincoln biography was the basis of the steven spielberg movie. >> i can't accomplish a goddamn thing of any human meaning or worth until we cure ourselves of slavery and end this pest, this war. >> her newest book is about the friendship theodore roosevelt and william howard taft, unusual for good win in that one of them is not a larger than life president, although he certainly was large. >> how many people are going to know much about taft other than that he weighs 350 pounds. >> and had a bathtub that could fit four men? >> indeed. there is a picture of the bathtub with the four guys in there. >> that is a white house scandal waiting to happen. >> the two men were a study in contrasts. roosevelt a contemporary wrote,

barrelled through life as if launched by a catapult. >> i have never written about anybody who has more energy, accomplished more, taft is the great procrastinator, he waited until the last minute for everything and got in trouble over and over again. >> so i keep saying to myself when i am about to put something off, i don't want to be taft in this, i want to be teddy. >> be teddy not taft. >> right. >> just hearing about them is chipping away at my self-esteem. >> if he, he gets done more in a page that i get done in a year. >> i heard he drank 40 cups of coffee a day, i haven't confirmed that but he gave the slogan to maxwell, good to the last drop. >> with like minded reporters who he dubbed muckrakers. >> we were at the white house and had lunch and din we are him, breakfast with him to. >> keep them close-by he even gave them their own white house pressroom. >> lyndon johnson used to say, better have your energies inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in. >> lbj would be the first of

goodwin's guys as she calls her presidential subjects. >> the whole relationship began because i was a 24-year-old white house intern. >> you met him at a dance. >> it used to be a badge of honor saying you were a 24-hour intern. >> johnson asked her to dance and said he wanted her to work directly for him. >> but there was something he didn't know. >> i wrote an anti-war, anti-lbj piece that came out after the dance. >> but he kept me in the program and said i will keep her for a year and if i can't win her over nobody can. >> what did he see in you? >> he saw a young girl, o to be honest, he was somewhat of a womanizer but also saw someone who loved history, he saw someone who liked to listen to him. he loved to talk. >> and goodwin would do a lot of listening. when she moved to lbj's ranch to help him write his memoirs after he left office. >> he couldn't sleep so he could

come a into my room and know he was coming in so i would get up even earlier and come into the bed. >> at 5:00 a.m. and pull the sheets up and mornings were hard for him because he was thinking about all that he had lost, and i would sit in the chair and he would just talk to me. >> you are sitting in a chair in your room and a former president of the united states is in your bed with the covers up to his neck just cash. >> telling his story. >> i mean, it seemed malthen, now i look at it, oh, my god what was going on? >> she says she never worried about things going too far, except once. >> one day he invited me to go on a picnic by the river, and tablecloth and wine and romantic trappings and i think what is going to happen and he says door royce more than any other woman i have ever known. >> you remind me of my mother. >> and it was so embarrassing. >> there was, she was this big buxom woman except she was an intellectual and loved reading and she would have been, he

thought a great writer. >> what goodwin saw in her was a man who outside of the oval office felt like the shell of a man. >> i think i saw in lbj a man for whom even though his family loved him, there was such a hole in his heart that needed to be filled by the love of millions of people, by the crowd, there was no sports in his life, no recreation, work was the center. >> reporter: lbj was the model of a life goodwin didn't want to lead. she married white house speechwriter richard goodwin and raised a family. >> we have three boys and i realized i couldn't do it all so i gave up teaching and i just became a writer. >> i am still going to za sox games and unimaginable number of days. >> we have season tickets. >> she lives in historic concord, massachusetts. >> do you look at buildings and trees and think, this was here when lincoln was president? >> i am as crazy as you, i do. >> most of the rooms in her

house it seems are libraries. >> this is the corridor of presidential biographies. >> this is the goodwin presidential library. >> good win presidential library. >> even the most successful presidents face controversy, so too this presidential historian. >> in 2002, it was revealed that goodwin had used passages from other books in her 1987 book on the kennedys without full attribution. >> goodwin blamed her mistakes on sloppy note taking. >> what was that experience like? was that an ordeal? >> of course. >> of course, because i care so much about my fellow writers it is nothing i intentionally would ever have done so it felt bad, and the best thing you can do is to learn from your mistakes and just make sure that you know how to do it right and i have. >> at the theodore roosevelt birthplace in new york city goodwin remembered how her love of history got started. >> if you come here as a kid as i did, when i went went to

roosevelt hyde park you can imagine these people living, walking, getting up out of bed in the morning -- >> and her mission now? to make dead presidents come as alive for her readers as they are for herment. >> if you had to be one of these guys, which would you be? >> probably no question teddy roosevelt. i would venture to project that he was the happiest president we have had. he loved what he was doing. he loved his family. he loved getting up in the morning. he had that energy. >> reporter: he knew how to work and play. >> he knew that. >> as for the teddy-taft friendship it broke apart when roosevelt ran against taft in a third party. the two split the republican vote, democrat woodrow wilson swept into power. >> recently baseball fanatic goodwin had a chance to broker a truce. >> part of my dream is i could bring them back together somehow. so i went to the washington national stadium. >> who is it going to be.

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